#rubyonrails - Sun 4 Mar 2007 between 03:17 and 03:24

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carterparksRappermas: have you looked at objective c source?
Rappermascarterparks: nope
care to demonstrate some?
bljpstickne: i have that book with me... still i do not agree that its a good book to learn about OOP. We those that already know about OO assume too many things that a starter would get confused. Well anyway all our opinion differs.
carterparksRappermas: ya just a sec
pstickneblj, what language/book would you recommend? As far as languages go, there isn't any one I've used I'd recommend over ruby for OO; that includes OO "heavyweights" such as C++, Java, Eiffel
But I haven't used Self or IO or ST so...
carterparksRappermas: http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?ClickableUrlInTextView
Rappermasman that's some ugly shit
bljpstickne: his first question was, can someone explain what is class... could you show me page in that book that would explain it to him better than any OO basics book.
carterparksblj: oop is not an easy idea to grasp
Rappermasdon't people like short names for things?
|PiP|can anyone tell me why my :has_many :through does not work? http://pastie.caboo.se/44558
carterparksyou're gonna struggle to find a book that explains it really easily
Rappermasint ThisIsMyFavoriteVariableInTheWholeEntireWorldThatIAmCodingWith;
char LetsGetStartedLikethisandHopefullyGetCarpalTunnel;
carterparkssomething.this = [something this]
that's the syntax
its retarded
Rappermasi still say brainfuck is the best language
psticknehttp://www.otierney.net/objective-c.html#subinheritance # examples ;)
carterparksbut i'm only sorta kinda tryin to pick it up though
bljcarterparks: that is exactly why i said, go learn about it elsewhere, not ruby, not java, not c++.. but simple with real world examples.
carterparksi'm trying to actually write a rubycocoa app
blj: pickaxe does that
pstickneblj, ruby + irb = as real as it gets
carterparksi mean i can't necessarily say that its the greatest book to learn oop with
because i didn't learn oop with it
i've been through enough languages that learning a new language is like driving a different car
you get used to the little quirks
Rappermashere a hint: if you're going to learn OOP with C++, shot yourself with heroin first--it'll make the pain that much less
carterparksand eventually you just need an API reference to get what you want done
peterretiefruby for rails is quite good for objects
bljpstickne, carterparks: i am not saying to learn OOP is to learn it using languages... even UML could be better for it
carterparksblj: if you want real world examples, i'd take a look at agile web development with rails
Rappermasi like how rails does its shit though
pstickneUML to teach? maybe in a boring college lecture course. nah, hands-on experimenting is where its at.
tpopehaha yeah I wish I could agree with that carterparks
Rappermaslike in php i have to loop and actually echo the html

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