| red_herring | pointersssss referencessssss strucssssss |
| qebab | having to learn c++ sometime in the future would be the second worst thing, going by what I've seen of it so far |
| jotham | you still have to deal with references in python i do a fair bit of C++, moving everything slowly to python, but still writing bits that need to be faster (tm) in C++ |
| DarienMB | the problem with C++ is that it's such a melange that you can't really learn OOP properly, because it's hard to tell when to do it and when not to jotham: do you write Python modules? |
| jotham | uh, you shouldn't use C++ to learn OOP, you should learn OOP and learn C++ |
| DarienMB | I agree |
| jotham | yeah nothing fancy, just using swig to create modules out of the C++ |
| Borg7 | how OOP is py |
| devicenull | red_herring: I taught myself c++ :p |
| DarienMB | Borg7: very |
| qebab | 'everything is an object' |
| DarienMB | everything really is an object |
| red_herring | devicenull: how'd that go |
| Borg7 | is that a good thing? |
| jotham | yeah i taught myself c++ too |
| qebab | I'd say that's pretty object oriented :) |
| devicenull | I had the assignment lists for the C++ class that got cancelled at my school, and just did those red_herring: I know it pretty well now |
| red_herring | i learned OOP using java |
| qebab | it hasn't annoyed me yet, Borg7 and I'm new to the concept so I'd say it is |
| jotham | python isn't as oop as smalltalk or java |
| red_herring | got lazy using python |
| devicenull | I dislike java :/ |
| jotham | python is useful and practical =) not oopy |
| DarienMB | it's oopy too |
| red_herring | jotham: no its more oop than java |
| DarienMB | but not overly so |
| jotham | oopyish |
| qebab | you sort of have the choice |
| red_herring | i dont know smalltalk |
| Borg7 | if there is another language besides py i'd like to learn, it'd probably be lisp. do you people have any such choice? |
| DarienMB | it's sufficiently oopy |
| red_herring | ruby |
| jotham | red_herring: after your remarks about C++ i have written your opinion off |
| qebab | Borg7: why not both? one at a time, though |
| red_herring | jotham: ... thats rather ignorant |
| jotham | red_herring: forming an opinion based on evidence? |