| MrNaz | haha |
| alec | MrNaz: do I understand correct, that all this time you were alking about a PHP application? |
| kosh | at the previous place I worked they deployed an app so bad it was faster to do the work with pen and paper by a longshot |
| MrNaz | Alec yes, you understand correctly |
| kosh | the app was some trouble tracking system that really screwed up how fast work got done |
| arkanes | We managed to get a waiver, but he had ot get support from a corp VP who had negotiating power in the outsourcing contract to do it |
| aoirthoir | MrNaz: well there is your problem |
| alec | MrNaz: I predict 10-fold speed increase if you port it to Python... |
| aoirthoir | php is just horrid. i recommend cobol. 2002 of course or python maybe |
| MrNaz | Alec I predict a 10 fold increase in my stupidity if I think about continuing down that road |
| alec | true |
| aoirthoir | hehe |
| c4nard | how to print all the elements of a list in only one word or a number? |
| MrNaz | that app has passed its use by date and im looking for new projects |
| kosh | you can replace crappy apps with any language and get it to run faster pretty much |
| arkanes | 10x performance increase for porting to python is a pretty bold claim :P |
| MC_Breit | moin |
| kosh | I have beaten hand coded c apps with python and managed to get it about a million times faster it was not that python was faster |
| MrNaz | Alec there's no need for increases in speed... the bulk of the work is done in the database backend (PostgreSQL) the app doesnt do much logic at all |
| arkanes | I'd say you'd get a 10x reduction in code size and increase in maintainability easily though |
| Jafet | kosh: Then you are obviously not a very good C programmer (: |
| kosh | it was that the c version was STUPID Jafet: I never wrote the c version, I was just paid to replace it with a better system which I wrote in python |
| arkanes | There's non-hand coded C apps? |
| MrNaz | arkanes yes, it is a bold claim esp when you consider that most business apps have a significant amount of work done in the DB |
| aoirthoir | kosh: well depends...c isnt for financial or business apps..its for OSes...scripting langauges..graphics programs..stuff like that |
| Jafet | MrNaz: But you might expect a 10x reduction in Teh Security Holes if you port from PHP... |
| kosh | arkanes: yeah there are non hand coded c apps |
| Jafet | aoirthoir: Oh? |
| alec | MrNaz: I guess.. For me it was a pleasant surprise coming from Perl, quite a lot of calculations became much faster |
| arkanes | kosh: They aren't really C apps then, though |
| kosh | arkanes: you should look at some of the drag and drop systems ;) |
| MrNaz | Jafet PHP doesnt have security holes, but the shitty apps written in it do... please dont continue *that* discussion is is well and truly off topic and non-resolvable |
| aoirthoir | Jafet: you CAN write a business app in c..but you are better off with something else |
| kosh | arkanes: my point is that this was all completely written by hand (no autogenerated code) and it performed abysmally |
| aoirthoir | MrNaz: not true..that is like saying windows doesnt have security holes.. php core has many things turned on by default that should be off |