#python - Sun 18 Feb 2007 between 22:17 and 22:25

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marcin_antI propably will try to use mod_pyton and really don't want to rely on any framework
sproingiethe framework you invent is still a framework
koshjust remember you will reinvent the existing frameworks badly
sproingieyou might understand and control it better, and if that's worth your time, that's groovy
koshI have seen people that thought they could do better then the zope security system and make it much lighter weight and easier to use
it was pretty abysmal what they ended up with :)
sproingiethe zope security system is one major reason for the C parts of zope, isn't it?
koshthat is a fair bit of it
marcin_antcan I use zope to serve really lightweight application with heavy ajax, json usage?
sproingiei'm not sure code-level security was ever really a wise idea for a web app framework
koshthe zope security system can run as pure python, but it also has a c implementation that is FAR faster
sproingieit's an app server, not a MUD
koshsproingie: it has definitely been useful to me
marcin_antI want to do almost everything in my application on client side with javascript and then make requests to postgresql database to provide some data and json code
koshno idea on that
I HATE ajax
POS hack that causes more problems then it solves
marcin_antkosh: well it depends...
ok anyway I need to sleep
koshit does not depend at all
sproingiemeh. the web is a pile of hacks
koshajax is a hack
ivan`ajax is a buzzword
sproingieit's a useful hack
koshyup the web has a lot of hacks, ajax is a hack on top of that
marcin_antit does depend how you implement this
koshbrowsers where not realy designed for continous running of js
sproingieweb app architecture in general is usually a hack
koshtry to run several ajax intensive stuff in different tabs and see how most browers respond
sproingiekosh: correction, IE wasn't. mozilla handles it just fine
marcin_antkosh: I really prefer ajax than flash - so for me choice is easy
Jerubcomet is actually useful. but again, that's just a new buzzword for an old thing.
koshsproingie: mozilla does not handle it fine if you do many at a time in different tabs
sproingiemost real world ajax apps i see are about connecting events to direct calls to the server
i see nothing hack about that other than that the transport is kind of goofy
koshthere is actually a better way it should have been done
sproingiethere's nothing 'continuously running' about them
kosheverything in html should be able to be a target
so you could use a url to load a resource directly
that woudl solve almost the entire usage case for ajax and require no js and be vastly easier on the web browser

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