| stuuf | the shell updates them i think |
| cfedde | I think %env is getting stripped |
| dre^ | how do people normally deal with this? |
| cfedde | dre^: for historical reasons there are two kinds of shell varaibles. those that are exported and those that are not. perl only sees the ones that are exported. |
| dre^ | indeed. it sees the same stuff that 'env' returns. |
| cfedde | probably. |
| stuuf | look at Term::Size |
| dre^ | so I guess I'm stuck with either some module such as Term::Readkey or... maybe there's some other way to ask the terminal how big it is |
| cfedde | I think I'd use a library to deal with stuff like that. Dealing with silly async winch events seems lile somehting I don't what to deal with myself. |
| Jmax | core: Term::Readkey |
| buubot | Term::Readkey will be added by christmas |
| Jmax | hm, i thought it was core |
| dre^ | I just don't want to include any modules that aren't standard... so I'll probably just end up using some of Term::Size's methods |
| Jmax | or maybe it's part of Bundle::CPAN core: Term::ReadKey |
| buubot | Term::ReadKey will be added by christmas |
| Jmax | oh well |
| cfedde | dre^: um.. what is a "standard" module? |
| stuuf | Term::Size actually does an ioctl TIOGWINSZ |
| cfedde | you mean "core"? |
| dre^ | in my case, I mean "that which ships by default in Mac OS X", but I don't know how that aligns with any other categories or lists of modules |
| Aankhen`` | How do I force `make test` to run perl using -T? |
| stuuf | you could also do `stty size` |
| Aankhen`` | (Trying to build Test::WWW::Mechanize on Win32.) |
| Jmax | build without testing ? |
| alester | Aankhen``: Why -T? |
| cfedde | Aankhen``: PERLOPT=-t |
| Aankhen`` | alester: Apparently the tests require it. |
| cfedde | Aankhen``: um export PERLOPT=-t |
| alester | Sorry about the failing tests, Aankhen`` |
| Aankhen`` | cfedde: Ah, thank you. |
| alester | just do the make install |
| dre^ | awesome stuuf, you win |
| alester | w/o the tests |
| dre^ | stuuf++ |
| t35t0r | where's the perl shell?! we need something better than monad psh or ruby shell or python shell |