| ofer | portable programs |
| dalias | pretty? ofer, that's sun's advertising, not truth |
| jjore | oh and being regular enough to be refactorable by *tools*. |
| dalias | truth is that java is not portable at all |
| jjore | unlike perl. |
| ofer | it makes you write maintainable code it's 100% pure OO |
| dalias | saying java is portable is like saying super nintendo games are portable because i can run an snes emulator on any system.... |
| jjore | then there's the bytecode which I hope one day to have a good reason to dive into. |
| mjl69 | numbers are not objects |
| dalias | it's 100% pure shit is what it is |
| mauke | ofer: methods aren't objects |
| ofer | mjl69, that's right. because a number is not an identity, it is a value |
| mauke | FAIL at OO |
| magic_user | emacs was pissing me off earlier today |
| mauke | magic_user: why are you evading your ban? |
| dalias | magic_user, fighting with indention? |
| ofer | mauke, is there a language where methods are objects ? |
| mjl69 | ofer: in ruby they are |
| mauke | ofer: javascript? probably common lisp too |
| ofer | right. forgot all about JS |
| magic_user | what happened was that I had 4 line but ctl p would bring me 4 lines up 4 lines on the screen were 1 to emacs |
| ofer | so which is the best language ?:) |
| dalias | magic_user, insanely long wrapping line? |
| mauke | now would be a good time to reban magic_user |
| jjore | Visual Basic! |
| magic_user | mauke please take it easy jesus |
| action | jjore snickers. |
| jjore | snickers. |
| mauke | magic_user: I'm taking it easy. now go away please. |
| dalias | jjore, VB isn't as bad as java even VB is a RAD language, it's not marketed as a language for sane development process |
| ofer | I don't understand why nobody invents the perfect language. We all know what it takes |
| dalias | but java is marketed (and worse yet, taught in colleges) as if it were a proper language |
| jjore | "proper language?" |
| dalias | ofer, huh? "the perfect language" depends on your problem domain |
| magic_user | java is painful to work with at my job |