| rindolf | Randal: is Larry rich, BTW? Does he has O'Reilly shares? |
| Randal | he's spirtually rich. :) |
| phroggy | he should be. |
| Gigsaw | then you probably aren't a very good businessperson |
| Randal | nobody has ORA shares it's all Tim's and a couple of others from the beginning |
| rindolf | Randal: oh. |
| Gigsaw | Tim has shares in ORA? |
| rindolf | Randal: interesting. |
| Randal | Uh - it's a corp |
| rindolf | Gigsaw: Tim O'Reilly. |
| Randal | he owns the majority of the corp I have shares in $tonehenge. :) |
| Gigsaw | ah thought you meant bunce |
| rindolf | I really like Tim. Although he can sometimes bullshit a lot in his blog." Go on and on about stuff. |
| phroggy | Microsoft has improved because they've had to. IE7 is an improvement over IE6 (while at the same time also being a disaster, but that's just a UI thing) not because Microsoft wanted to improve it, but because they realized if they didn't, nobody would use it anymore. |
| rindolf | phroggy: yes. phroggy: I don't hate MS. |
| preaction | phroggy: IE7 is not a disaster just because of the UI thing. they have not improved CSS support in the slightest. they are still years behind FF, Opera, and Webkit |
| rindolf | phroggy: I think many of their products are crap, but that's all. preaction: IE7-- IE6-- IE6-- |
| phroggy | preaction: they HAVE improved CSS support, they just haven't improved it as much as would be nice. |
| rindolf | preaction: perlbot karma IE7 perlbot karma IE7 |
| perlbot | IE7 doesn't have any karma |
| preaction | phroggy: 6%, according to webdevout.net |
| rindolf | IE7-- perlbot karma IE7 |
| perlbot | Karma for IE7: -1 |
| preaction | IE7 is holding at 56% of css2 support, while FF and Opera are in high 90s |
| phroggy | preaction: they've fixed the bugs that I had to work around for IE6; I don't see how you can put a percentage on it. |
| preaction | no, they fixed the workaround. the workarounds don't work anymore |
| rindolf | phroggy: some of my sites still have some problems. |
| phroggy | no they didn't. |
| rindolf | phroggy: there's no display: table* |
| phroggy | rindolf: yeah, there are still problems, I won't dispute that. Like I said, it's not as good as what would be nice. But it's BETTER than IE6. |