| JeeBee | Patterner: Your suggestion to use Mechanize works very well :) |
| yrlnry | See, I would never have done that. I only write programs for which the entire concept is completely stupid. |
| perlygatekeeper | you guys are my virtual encyclopedia of all that is archane in the art |
| jagerman | rindolf: I really, really, really wish that oowriter had an equivelant to Word's "normal view" When I'm writing content, I don't *care* about layout, I don't want to see the page margins. |
| rindolf | jagerman: after I learned LaTeX and DocBook/XML - I didn't look back. jagerman: you edit them using your editor, and uses the mind's eye. jagerman: or you can use LyX or whatever. It's the same argument that the IDE people have against Perl. "Perl has no decent IDE, so I cannot write code in it." |
| integral | I don't really like the docbook formatting toolchains; I couldn't get them to work very well |
| rindolf | But you can. integral: I could. integral: with some trial and error. And learning XSLt. And looking at the source. |
| jagerman | Are you serious? |
| rindolf | And the DocBook/XSL source. jagerman: pardon? |
| jagerman | You don't see how that interferes with worrying about what you're actually writing? |
| rindolf | jagerman: it doesn't. jagerman: well, you can also ask the DocBook/XML mailing lists. They're very helpful. |
| integral | err, but why doesn't it Just Work? |
| rindolf | jagerman: are you concerend about bidi. |
| jagerman | Yeah, exactly. |
| rindolf | integral: db2pdf. |
| integral | There's several large books specifying what all the docbook stuff is MEANT to do, but it doesn't. OTOH, LaTeX, Word, WP, etc all do what they claim, which is nice |
| Randal | The books would be far smaller if you removed all the <> :) |
| integral | that's one reason I used the SGML rather than the XML version :) |
| rindolf | integral: SGML. %-) integral: I had little problems with DB/X that I could not solve. |
| Stx | Anyone know of a good reference which lists all the perl builtins? |
| rindolf | integral: but maybe you're more picky than I am. sTx: perldoc perlfunc |
| jagerman | Stx: perldoc perlfunc, assuming you mean built-in functions |
| integral | did anyone mention perlfunc yet? :-) |
| Stx | And if I dont have that installed? |
| jagerman | Err, then you should install it :) |