| rindolf | We need Perl bug trackers and PHP bug trackers and Python bug trackers and Intercal bug trackers. And ASP bug trackers. And IBM 1401 Assembler bug trackes. |
| Randal | And INTERCAL bug trackers |
| rindolf | When I was your age.... |
| jagerman | I never claimed that starting from scratch was always the best choice, only that it *can* be the best choice in some situations. You are welcome to attempt to change my mind that it is, in fact, the best choice here. |
| Randal | I think there's a middle ground there I think starting from scratch is good *if* you've studied prior art. |
| rindolf | I still don't understand how people think Linux is hard to use. I mean when I was 10 (!) I used XT ROM BASIC and DOS and stuff. |
| Randal | *And* you don't discount that an 80% solution that is done is better than a 20% solution that you wrote. :) |
| rindolf | KDE compared to that is heaven. |
| action | CPAN upload: Tripletail-0.27 by HIO |
| CPAN | upload: Tripletail-0.27 by HIO |
| action | CPAN upload: Bio-Grep-v0.6.0 by LIMAONE |
| CPAN | upload: Bio-Grep-v0.6.0 by LIMAONE |
| Randal | Ultimately, programming is about getting the result done. |
| rindolf | And I know a girl who started when she was 8. |
| jagerman | rindolf: Having been using only linux for years, there are still various "difficulties" that I can certainly understand. |
| rindolf | jagerman: I know. |
| perlygatekeeper | anyone know the macro processor command m4, used by sendmail to make config files |
| rindolf | jagerman: but I think Windows has much more difficulties. And the worst thing about it is that it will pretend to work while actualyl be infested with malware. perlygatekeeper: m4... shiver. |
| perlygatekeeper | well I didn't like what it did, and how it worked. so I wrote my own in perl, called it m5 |
| rindolf | perlygatekeeper: nice. perlygatekeeper: is it compatible? There's chpp. |
| yrlnry | I don't think anyone likes M4. |
| perlygatekeeper | I didn't know m4 very well since it failed to do what I wanted pretty early in my exploration |
| jagerman | rindolf: One huge issue of mine is the lack of a good word processor. |
| rindolf | perlygatekeeper: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/schani/chpp/index.html |
| perlygatekeeper | I added some things like requires |
| rindolf | jagerman: DocBook/XML. jagerman: or LaTeX. |
| perlygatekeeper | ok, there's something I really hate and thats finding out that something I wrote was already done better 15 years ago |
| rindolf | yrlnry: I know someone who used it for his extremely shitty web-site. |
| perlygatekeeper | I really hate that |
| rindolf | yrlnry: because he likes Scheme. |
| perlygatekeeper | I still use the better stuff, I just hate it |
| rgsteele | Hey folks. I have a hash, but the index I need to use is in a variable. Obviously, I can't do something like $refnames{'$server'} - what's the best way to go about referencing the value using the key stored in $server? |
| yrlnry | $refnames{$server} |