| rmah | Teal_Stallion: between $5k/yr to $50k/yr |
| jpeg | forsaken: there's example code in perldoc -f crypt. However, that's a horrible idea. |
| rmah | which is what any programmer makes, starting out |
| Teal_Stallion | $5k/yr...damn |
| rmah | Teal_Stallion: life's harsh in china and india |
| Teal_Stallion | well...in the united states i mean |
| rmah | actually, they probably start out better there. life's harsh in bulgaria in the US, assuming a related degree, $50k to $60k with a few lucky ducks making more |
| forsaken | jpeg, hrm, okay |
| rmah | why this focus on starting salary? that's meaningless |
| forsaken | jpeg, it will (hopefully) be a web-based interface tho, so i can't use the login script |
| Teal_Stallion | just curious |
| rmah | Teal_Stallion: after 5 or 10 years, a programmer can be making as little as $40k or as much as $120k it really depends on who you are, where you work, who you work for, etc. |
| thrig | whose funds you launder, whose corporate ladder you claw up |
| Teal_Stallion | what really pisses me off |
| rhizo | forsaken: you're going to have to find out what it is, PAM, Kerberos, etc. |
| rmah | Teal_Stallion: what pisses you off? |
| Teal_Stallion | the language i am the best at...perl...is not offered at many colleges |
| rmah | Teal_Stallion: thank god for that |
| Teal_Stallion | how is that good?? lol |
| forsaken | rhizo, i have SSH access, is there a good way to tell without having to email the admin? |
| Khisanth | heh |
| rmah | Teal_Stallion: my university offered exactly ZERO courses in any specific language |
| rodrickbrownn | Teal_Stallion, once you learn to code you can write anything |
| rmah | it was assumed we'd pick it up on our own |
| rodrickbrownn | dont focus on the language just learn the fundamentals |
| cfedde | CS as Vocational training. |
| rmah | "Welcome to Expert Systems 101. In this class, we'll be using Lisp and Prolog. Learn them by next week." that was pretty typical for our courses languages come and go. the concepts you express with them are forever |
| cfedde | I tutored lots of people who were writing pascal programs in lisp. |
| Khisanth | rmah: when was the last time you checked the starting salary for China? :) |
| cfedde | Kinda silly actualy. |
| rodrickbrownn | luckly most of my CS courses gives us the option to use C++,C# or Java |
| rmah | Khisanth: never, but I know a few people who outsource development there (on both sides) so I extrapolated |
| killer_ | can someone tell me when I would use $sth->do vs $sth->execute ? perldoc DBI doesn't clarify it |
| Khisanth | rmah: cousin just finished college and there appears to be a huge gap :) |