| rmah | they forgot clautzwitz |
| Teal_Stallion | us troops didn't loose a single battle in vietnam |
| rmah | just as most people in the US have forgotten again in iraq Teal_Stallion: that's not strictly true and you know it |
| Teal_Stallion | based on numbers americans never lost a battles battle* |
| rmah | dude |
| Teal_Stallion | they'd always pop out of nowhere hit us |
| Randal | he's either ribbing us, playing the propoganda a bit too loud, or too much in the MTV generation |
| Teal_Stallion | and then split |
| rhizo | Russians supplied modern fight jets to Vietnamese, and that did eventually upset the tactical balance s/fight/fighter/ |
| Randal | rule #1 - do not talk about fight jets |
| rmah | rhizo: just a little, the US had overwhelming air superiority in vietnam |
| rhizo | of course, the jet pilots were mostly Russian |
| Teal_Stallion | damn right operation rolling thunder |
| rhizo | rmah: not toward the end, i don't think |
| rmah | god help us if we ever have to fight somewhere where we don't enjoy air superiority |
| Randal | like in SPACE! |
| rhizo | look ma, no AIR ! |
| rmah | heh |
| Teal_Stallion | Randal: its all we can do to get a space shuttle to and from the space station |
| rmah | Teal_Stallion: at least we have space shuttles! |
| Teal_Stallion | we cant even go to the damn moon anymore |
| rhizo | rmah: my uncle was a pilot, and served as "instructor" ( read he got to actually fly sorties ) in Vietnam ( against US ), and Egypt ( against Israeli ) |
| rmah | rhizo: that's nice... and? |
| rhizo | rmah: from his recounts, toward the end in Vietnam, the situation had changed ( for one, he survived it ) |
| rmah | rhizo: define "towards the end"? towards the end of US involvement? or towards the end of the war? |
| Teal_Stallion | vietnam was never actually declared as a war |
| rmah | because by the fall of Hanoi, there were very few US military assets on the ground Teal_Stallion: that hardly mattered to the vietnamese |
| Teal_Stallion | hanoi never fell saigon did |
| rhizo | he just cursed when he recounted Egyptians - they were total dumb asses and lost all the expensive assets, modern soviet craft and field equipment alike |
| rmah | haha, sorry, yeah |
| rhizo | rmah: toward the end of the war |
| rmah | freudian slip I guess |