fantasma | lol! |

kmh_ | :) put in on google video |

akshat | hey, which is better mathemtica or matlab? |

fantasma | when's episode v come out? |

|Steve| | I think I've read the entire transcript here already. |

kmh_ | the geeks might love it akshat : they are for different purposes |

akshat | kmh_, can you please explain , i am new to this |

yi | how do you cook up a degree 5 irreducible polynomial in F_2[x] ? |

kmh_ | akshat : matlab is mainly numeric and for matrices, mathematica is general CAS so in particular symbolic math (but graphics and numerics as well) |

fantasma | don't forget Maple |

akshat | fantasma, and what about maple? |

kmh_ | akshat : maple is an alternative to mathematica |

|Steve| | yi x^5 + x^4 + 1? Or x^5 + x + 1. |

akshat | i have heard that a lot of other software use mathematica libraries, like matlab |

kmh_ | akshat : it really depends on what you need |

fantasma | I don't think it's quite as powerful as mathematica, and MathWorld uses mathematica |

yi | |Steve|: hurmm, this page does not list them http://mathworld.wolfram.com/IrreduciblePolynomial.html it has a table of irreducible polynomials in F_2 of degree 5 at the bottom |

TRWBW | yi: in F_2 x^n=x, and x+x=0, so anything that starts with 1 and then has an even number of other terms is irreducible |

kmh_ | akshat : if you just need some math software good for all kinds of things (i.e. relatively broad) go with mathematica or maple or mupad |

fantasma | is there a definitive book on discrete mathematics? |

kmh_ | akshat : there's also a free alternative for mathematica/maple : maxima fantasma : probably plenty |

Griswold | OT: Anyone know of a windows app that might use a 16 bit cursor? |

TRWBW | fantasma: discrete math per-se isn't considered a serious subject. it's taught to people as a subsitute for teaching them the real stuff. my opinion anyways. |

yi | TRWBW: sorry, why is that true? |

fantasma | TRWBW, real stuff? |

kmh_ | TRWBW : i don't agree |

akshat | but are all these similar in commands, because i don't want to get confused using different things at home and at in college |

TRWBW | fantasma: combinatorics, graph theory, logic, lattice theory, and basic number theory mostly |

kmh_ | TRWBW : it is like saying calculus is not the real stuff |

TRWBW | kmh_: even less so |

fantasma | TRWBW, that IS discrete mathematics |

Griswold | What is wrong with combinatorics and logic? |

kmh_ | fantasma : the problem is under the label discrete math you teach a lot of different subjects each of them worthy of its own class |

TRWBW | fantasma: yes. and the good books on those have names like "combinatorics" or "graph theory" or "number theory" |