#kde - Sun 25 Mar 2007 between 11:38 and 12:02

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yacoobFinally, when I found the option and configured it the way I thought I'd like it to be, I discovered that it is NOT the way I'd like it to be
Sho_mahasamoot: Well, for example, the KDE platform provides applications with libraries for rich user interfaces, network-transparent i/o, interaction with hardware, multimedia, an inter-process communication bus, and lots of other things ... that's why you can have "a KDE application" or "a Gnome application", but you won't see a "Fluxbox application", because Fluxbox is a subset of what the desktop environments provide
yacoobnamely, changes are not propagating into subdirs :(
Sho_mahasamoot: If you like Fluxbox or some other window manager, by all means, use it, but chances are you're going to run apps in it that leverage technology provided by one of the desktop environment projects
benJImanYou could even use fluxbox as KDE's windowmanager
Sho_mahasamoot: The advantage of using the workspace components (panel, window manager, etc.) of a DE in addition to applications that make use of its frameworks is a heightened level of integration between the workspace and the applications
mahasamootSho_: I saw something about DCOP on the website. It didn't say much about what it's used for, or why other protcalls wouldn't work.
Sho_mahasamoot: DCOP is primarily designed for components of the desktop environment and applications to talk to each other, but it can also be used to script many KDE applications from the command line (or your favorite scripting language) by calling upon the interfaces the applications expose on the bus
mahasamoot: The primary reason why DCOP was developed was that at the time the technologies in the same genre weren't quite the right fit and often severely overdesigned by industry committee and almost impossible to implement properly
mahasamoot: In recent times the design of DCOP has inspired the D-Bus technology, which KDE has adopted for KDE4 in place of DCOP, making it the biggest user of D-Bus currently
mahasamootSho_: I haven't heard of D-Bus. Can you point me to a link w/ a basic overview?
Sho_mahasamoot: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus
mahasamootSho_: ah, so it's part of the standard now?
PF-Awayanyone in here know how to get the source to kickoff?
Sho_mahasamoot: That depends on what you mean by "the standard" ;)
PF-Away: branches/work/suse_kickoff iirc
JucatoPF-Away: or kde-apps.org
actionJucato waves good night
Jucatowaves good night
PF-AwaySho_: that seems to contain kdebase
Sho_PF-Away: Well, it's a branch of kdebase
PF-Away: In which kickoff is developed
actionPF-Away is confused
PF-Awayis confused
kickoff has it's own branch of kdebase?
Sho_PF-Away: Seems so
PF-Awayso i can't use kickoff without replacing my current kdebase?
Sho_I don't know whether they still use that, though
benJIman probably knows
PF-AwaybenJIman: ping
microsoft sucks, their webpage doesn't work in konqueror
:D
but i bet kde.org works in IE
Sho_mahasamoot: The goal of D-Bus from KDE's side was to rectify the problem that DCOP failed to gain adoption outside of KDE. People tend not to look at what their competitors are offering. The C bindings never really went anywhere, etc. D-Bus was developed on more neutral grounds, even if heavily inspired by DCOP. And has replaced DCOP in KDE4 now.
smileafPF-Away: the result of better webpage developers ;)
PF-Away;)
superior, i would say
mahasamootSho_: "People tend not to look at what their competitors are offering." Tell me about it! I wish Linux folks would take a look at ZFS and DTrace. But that's off topic.
Sho_mahasamoot: That's a problem of license, though
PF-Awaywoohoo, the latest wine version runs at least the intro much smoother
shevydoes dbus fully replace dcop?
Sho_mahasamoot: Sun purposely released them under a license that is incompatible with the GPL so that ZFS or DTrace cannot be ported to Linux

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