#kde - Mon 12 Mar 2007 between 00:02 and 00:14

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zackglenniethat sounds reasonable. I'll look forward to KDE4 then (and moreso to junking this lappy for a real box). I wonder if I can get a card with super duper 2d capabilities and nothing special for 3d. I'm past playing 3d games, and 3d eye candy just isn't my style.
Renzezackglennie: matrox?
zackglennieRenze: yeah? would that be the company to look at?
Renzezackglennie: I think so
Sho_zackglennie: This isn't really a problem of the hardware, though
zackglennieRenze: you can bet when I build my box I'll be picking out parts for a solid month (it took me a week+ to choose a digital camera)
Renzezackglennie: I research well in advance
Sho_zackglennie: It's really about driver quality. It's up to the drivers to make use of the hardware to implement acceleration for various graphics operations, and unfortunately most open source drivers don't do a very good job at that due to lack of specifications for the hardware.
zackglennie: nVidia's proprietary Linux drivers have strong 2D acceleration, and Intel's open-source drivers have a branch with an implementation of the EXA acceleration framework for XRender, that's about it
zackglennieSho_: yes, that's true. I had much better graphics capablities under XP. Too bad the kernel, os, window manager, desktop utilities and interaction paradigm were all so awful :P
(yes, I realize some of those items overlap)
Sho_(The EXA stuff for radeon is still experimental I believe)
zackglennieSho_: experimental as in "only works in specialized circumstances" or as in "might crash your box once a month"
?
Sho_As in "not available in released versions of the driver", afaik - don't know much beyond that, I tend to keep away from ATi
zackglennieSho_: yeah, that seems to be the prevailing wisdom.
Sho_nVidia's proprietary drivers for Linux overall are a match to their Windows drivers in quality and ability. Intel is on a good path thanks to having hired some key X people and doing the whole thing open-source, which rocks. ATi, otoh, is almost entirely uncooperative since they got their Xbox contract.
zackglennieand this "matrox"?
(I can google, never mind.)
Renzematrox used to be one of the best supported cards in linux... not sure if that is still true
Sho_Matrox is pretty dead today, they've shrunken and moved on from consumer to special needs (medical, etc.)
cubezzzmatrox sux
;-)
Sho_I don't know if the matrox driver implements EXA, but I doubt it
RenzeSho_: that doesn't surprise me, considering the video card wars
zackglennieso probably I'll be buying nVidia when I make my box (shouldn't be more than a year; this laptop can't be long for this world)
cubezzzsorry, I shouldn't say they suck, I don't know the whole story
Sho_nVidia or Intel, yeah
cubezzzmaybe Microsoft stabbed them in the back
Sho_cubezzz: Matrox used to make some great hardware back in the day
Renzecubezzz: just say ATi sucks, and everybody will agree :D
cubezzzok :)
zackglenniemaybe Dell. working with Dell is pretty bad for your corporate health. Ask samsung.
cubezzzSho_: yeah I liked their rainbow runner card for video capture
zackglennie(maybe Dell stabbed them in the back)
cubezzzcouldn't get w2k drivers for my customer though
Renzedell stabs everybody in the back... especially their customers ;)
Sho_The situation with ATi is pretty bad. Dave Airlie, the maintainer of the radeon driver, is sitting on some code to implement basic 2D for ATI's newer cards in the radeon driver for about a year now, and can't publish it as per his NDA agreements with ATi due to them not reacting to his requests of review.
zackglennieRenze: sometime I want to see an in-depth article about the flow of money in the OEM business.
Sho_So the only option is ATi's proprietary driver, which unfortunately sucks hard

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