#kde - Mon 26 Feb 2007 between 12:30 and 12:37

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tuxicki hope kmail will stop crashing in 4
weathermanso in kde4 we'll finally be faster than the gnomies? :)
Jucatoor maybe KDE can change the default behavior
apokryphosbenJIman: it would probably be a better idea to just get the default of that changed
XVampireXweatherman: KDE4 is already faster than gnome :P
err, kde3^
benJImanOr you could use the simple UI for the majority of use cases and provide the other to people who use it
apokryphosreally doesn't cut it again in my opinion. Kate is really not confusing; pretty clean, and I can't imagine a new user having any real/significant advantage with kwrite
Jucatodoesn't Gedit have tabs?
XVampireXweatherman: Try a few Qt4 applications right now.
benJImankate has 5 more menus, more toolbar buttons, 2 entirely new toolbars in default configuration
JucatobenJIman: again, distro defaults
benJImanYou can't turn those off without kiosk
JucatoXMLGUI?
benJImanxmlgui changes arn't exactly "configuration"
Jucatoyou can change the .rc file.
that's what Kubuntu does for the Konqueror menus.
apokryphosJucato: it's not a case of distro defaults, too, though. It's the KDE default that matters
benJImanlike with kiosk...
Jucatoapokryphos: true, but in the case of menus, distro defaults can affect that as well
benJImanJucato: and if you disable them in your distro the user can't access those features
wheras you could have the choice between kwrite which is fine for most use cases, and kate for advanced users
apokryphosI also think changing the behaviour of an app too much per distro is not a great idea
Jucatoapokryphos: true. but that's another topic all together :D
srednayou can just turn them off. if you want to do that for all users, use your skel dir
benJImanIf you turn them off the user can't get at the features at all
Which is silly
actionsredna needs food
srednaneeds food
Jucatothen the distro can provide a FAQ for advanced users to get those back
chavothe user can delete the rc file
benJImanOut of the two which is more suited to kdebase, it's clearly not kate which is the advanced editor
Jucato*if* that's the only solution, or the problem
chavoto rollback to default
daskreechWhatever put kate in kdesdk
apokryphosJucato: I don't think that's any type of realistic solution tbh
benJImanAnd how many users know about rc files?
daskreechdistros will just put her back in anyway.
actiondaskreech really needs to stop speaking of kate as a human
daskreechreally needs to stop speaking of kate as a human
JucatobenJIman: aren't you talking about regular vs. advanced users?
chavoThe ones that know about missing features

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