#debian - Mon 30 Apr 2007 between 01:49 and 01:52

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bad_cpuwhat would it mean if a computer won't boot properly unless the power is disconnected amd reset?
muhoohmm.
actionjetscreamer 's nvidia works fine
jetscreamer's nvidia works fine
BUMBACL0T[23:42] <BUMBACL0T> hey, how come i can access my ftp locally but not remotely
[23:43] <BUMBACL0T> everything is fixed, my ftp server's ip is DMZ'd
[23:43] <BUMBACL0T> any idea?
im using vsftpd
Miles_Prower_bad_cpu: that's a common issue
muhoopeterS: it looks like i may be wrong. it looks like the DEBIAN maintainer added the --release 0.100.0 !
Guerinbad_cpu: bad psu
Dewijetscreamer: debian binary?
jetscreamerBUMBACL0T: i know you know better by now than to paste
Miles_Prower_bad_cpu: Some hard drives also require time to spin down and back up. they lock up.
peterSmuhoo: the problem with some upstreams is that they're used to OSes that are not Debian, where maintainers don't care much about proper SONAME management, and if you upgrade your OS you're expected to recompile all your apps as a matter of course. then they act surprised when we tell them that Debian is managed much more sanely and they should get with the program
Miles_Prower_bad_cpu: common on WD's.
muhoothe upstream LDFLAGS are -version-info x:x:x, and the debian package adds the 0.100.0 crap!
bad_cpuMiles_Prower_: is it a dead MB battery?
farseer_jetscreamer: cool.. KsysV, never tried that tool before :P how nify .. do it graphical :)
Miles_Prower_bad_cpu: not on newer motherboards, they default to auto-detecting hdd's
tuvDewi, switching between configurations is the weak point of X multi display capabilities. you will need to either restart X or setup to X servers on two virtual consoles and switch between them (and maintain two different sessions)
jetscreamerDewi: no i've never used those, when they first appeared in sources i never could get em to work, so i just do what i've always done
BUMBACL0Tjetscreamer, 3-line limit right?
muhoopeterS: well the upstream uses FC. so, that's a binary distro too
peterSmuhoo: well - it's possible that the soname management was broken upstream and this was a workaround
tuvDewi, or setup two* X servers
Dewituv: ew. X session management has always sucked
muhoopeterS: let me see. i want to get this 100% right. the SONAME should or should not include the 0.100.0 ?
jetscreamerBUMBACL0T: that's the limit, but it's still rude-ish ... try putting them all on one line maybe?
bad_cpuThe hard drive is fine, and there are 2 old cpu with this same problem, but if power supply is reset, boots fine
Dewituv: I normally run tightvncserver instead of normal xorg just so sessions don't disappear all the time
muhoopeterS: i read dancer's guide as saying: don't do that
peterSmuhoo: yes but ... I had a frustrating "discussion" with my upstream awhile back when I tried to get them to support a soname bump in a circumstance where the fedora maintainer insisted that it shouldn't be done. because fedora is one of those things where if you have any local binaries and you upgrade the system, you're expected to recompile all your local binaries.
Dewituv: (and I can relocate them)
BUMBACL0Tjetscreamer, any idea?
muhoopeterS: say WHAT??!
tuvDewi, your desktop environment can provide sessions management. (gnome keeps the session across logins now)
muhoothat's retarded
jetscreamerdoes anybody know if paravirtualization is 'supposed' to be compiled into stock kernels, or was it yet another mistake in 2.6.20 series?
peterSmuhoo: I was like, on debian, we avoid the need to rebuild your locally installed apps when you upgrade your system, because we do X, Y, and Z. it was really hard to get that point across, apparently that's a really foreign concept
muhooi used to use RH, and i don't recall "recompile" as being an option.

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