#debian - Tue 20 Feb 2007 between 01:24 and 01:32

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NetEchohrm
ETCH 3 doesnt like my laptop cdrom anymore
beta 3 that is
linux2well now im just gonna remove kde and reinstall it
lots of packages
peterSNetEcho: beta 3 is ancient (: try an etch daily build, which uses a newer kernel than beta 3
NetEchodidn't wanna go through downloading another copy but me
*meh
peterSNetEcho: also - you might need some libata.enable_atapi=1 on the Boot: command line
NetEcho: this applies to both beta3 and current
NetEchogot a link to a netinstall image for ETCH?
linux2WTF!!!!
peterSnetecho: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
NetEchoatapi? for a new laptop?
linux2i don't want to have to reinstall because of this
any ideas?
WyzardpeterS: Current is 2.6.18, which doesn't need that option
peterS: dunno about 2.6.17
peterSNetEcho: yes, a lot of newer machines use SATA CD-ROM drives, or CD-ROM drives indirectly plugged in to SATA chipsets
NetEchoyea this is a sata
peterSWyzard: is that so? (I have no way of testing, I don't have an affected chipset or drive)
actionWyzard is using 2.6.18 with a native SATA DVDRW drive and does not need the "enable_atapi" option
Wyzardis using 2.6.18 with a native SATA DVDRW drive and does not need the "enable_atapi" option
I'm pretty sure it's not needed with 2.6.17 either
peterSI thought I heard that it was. but anyway ... yeah
WyzardIt's on by default in recent kernels
peterSI knew it would be enabled by default at some point but I thought that point would be 2.6.19 or 2.6.20. I'm glad to hear I was mistaken, that's an annoyance we really didn't need
route_Why, oh why, does debian's installer still suck it hard? I've been true to Debian for about 7 years, but they still can't make an installer worth a crap.
WyzardMy laptop has a PATA optical drive connected to a SATA controller, and that used to need it, back when I bought it in late 2005, but doesn't need it anymore
peterSroute_: your comment isn't helpful. if you can't describe what problems you had with the installer, please do your bitching somewhere else
route_peterS I think I've had just about every problem possible, and a few that are not possible. lol
WyzardThat's still pretty much a meaningless statement
peterSroute_: again ... if you can't be more specific, your whining is nothing but whining, and it doesn't do anyone any good, not even you
WyzardIf you want help with installing, you have to say what's wrong
peterSroute_: for that matter, we're not debian-installer developers so even if you describe your problems better, we probably can't fix them. the best we can do is try to figure out how you can fix what went wrong with your install
route_Latest install I've been trying to do is get "Testing" working on a Dell GX150 system... When it gets to the part where I can choose what packages to install, it tries to remove the kernel, and just goes crazy after that.
dondelelcarothat's because the installer you're using isn't a daily build, and doesn't have the kernel that's currently in testing.
route_I didn't come asking for help... I just asked if anyone knew why the installer sucked so bad. I can't be the only person on earth who thinks the installer was written by a couple of 3 year olds.
dondelelcaroroute_: that has *NOTHING* to do with the installer, actually.
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peterSroute_: go write a better one, keeping in mind that you do not control the kernel packages in debian. yeah, good luck with that.

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