#debian - Tue 20 Feb 2007 between 20:31 and 20:36

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Azarthey are just ms wannabees
holycowits not like suse or redhat control anything but a particular configuration of the toolset
abrotmanthough debian does have blobs in the kernel
kibaholycow: no propreitary softwares on me.
eldowanabrotman: I didn't know that debian is a linux file system.
abrotmanduh
actionkiba writes only Free softwares
kibawrites only Free softwares
abrotmankiba: are you sure you're not using any ?
actionkiba run only Free softwares
kibarun only Free softwares
holycowkiba, super cool. i try to as well wherever i can.
kibaabrotman: Debian is fairly strict
eldowanwhere have I been all this time
abrotmankiba: there are blobs in the kernel
kibait is impossible not to use google though
abrotman: what does that mean?
holycowi haveto make the occassional concession, but as per mark shuttleworth, its considered a 'bug' to be worked out as opportunity allows
kibagoogle's software is propreitary, correct?
but what we would used for search engine?
ki11bi11the basic thrust of open source is you get more by sharing. either its true or it isn't
abrotmankiba: non-free(speech) binary only blobs in the debian kernel
amphikiba: they don't distribute it, do they?
kibayeah
Azarholycow: there are those linux distros that don't want to evolve independently, they just go with the borg : commercialization, what brings in the money and nothing more
kibacommercialization is not neccessary bad
holycowKi11Bi11, there is some research to show that under certain conditions in a tit for tat game theory situation, the optimal situation is actually that and guaranteed to happen
kibadoes Free softwares follow the tit for tat game theory
?
holycowi think free software/open source falls into that category because the economics of software are VERY different from hardware manufacturers ... your distribution costs are zero and affect the whole equation
Azaronce they got in the money's vicious cycle and start competing who sells what faster and for bigger profit, there is no quality software anymore, is just greediness and disrespect for the end users
bokeyFS is not about software. It's about freedom
ki11bi11holycow, i was thinking game theory too, but the main thing is the means of production and reproduction and distribution
abrotmanwtf
holycowAzar, i think thats maybe not exactly a subtle enough description
actionAzar hides .. abrotman got mad
Azarhides .. abrotman got mad
kibaFS is about providing users software freedom...
rahulthis is insane
kibaAzar: but we need money, right?
abrotmani'm not mad .. it's just been going on and on :)
rahulI feel like I'm talking to NYU potheads.
holycowAzar, i hate novell now as a result of their deal with ms but that doesn't change the fact that the people there are probably good people trying hard and paying the bills

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