| [TK]D-Fender | Opperior : Lets say I wouldn't know Cisco's manufacturing quality. they ARE nice phones.... SIP could be a fair bit better and more stable though. |
| Qwell | DocHolliday: but it's silly to go and buy every piece of hardware out there |
| [TK]D-Fender | J4k3 : Just some of their policies |
| DocHolliday | Qwell, sure but thats a pretty popular piece of VoIP gear? |
| bkruse_home | [TK]D-Fender: agreed, but i think the lack of SIP support is for a reason :] |
| Qwell | 7914? not really |
| J4k3 | hell, cisco was still selling 68030-based routers for >$3k retail in 1999 (when the routers got EOL'd) |
| DocHolliday | atleast companies are guaranteed they can take all their cisco handsets and transition to asterisk |
| [TK]D-Fender | bkruse_home : And what... destabilize their private little empire?! oh noes! |
| DocHolliday | Qwell, *most* companies i have been to now use Cisco handsets.. and as a result they have *many* Cisco 7914 |
| J4k3 | In this world, one must know their ABCs... *A*nything *B*ut *C*isco. ;) |
| Qwell | DocHolliday: well, it *IS* proprietary |
| action | mafkees pats his 7960 |
| mafkees | pats his 7960 |
| DocHolliday | Qwell, i dont dispute that, but the fact of the matter is there are a lot of *but's* with asterisk.. this would be one less (in my mind anyway) |
| Juggie | cisco phones suck, NEXT! |
| DocHolliday | Juggie, tell that to all my customers who haven't had one dead Cisco IP Phone |
| mafkees | dont listen to all those angry people 7960. You are serving me great ;) |
| Qwell | DocHolliday: they *do* work with asterisk :) |
| Juggie | DocHolliday, the hardware isnt the problem the software is horrible |
| Opperior | Well, then, what would you use if not Cisco? Just Polycom? |
| [TK]D-Fender | Polycom > Cisco |
| DocHolliday | Juggie, SIP 8.6 is perfect |
| [TK]D-Fender | Polycom > ALL |
| J4k3 | anything you don't have to hack to make work > Cisco. |
| bkruse_home | [TK]D-Fender: agreed! |
| [TK]D-Fender | DocHolliday : Perfect? You mean full presence support, and SLA? |
| bkruse_home | [TK]D-Fender: i meant that by making their Sip firmware crap, forces you to use SKINNY/MGCP |
| DocHolliday | i stand behind whatever solution i offer |
| [TK]D-Fender | bkruse_home : Insidious isn't it? ;) |
| Juggie | DocHolliday, if you think ciscos sip FW is perfect, then you really need to try some other phones |
| bkruse_home | incredibly, yes |
| [TK]D-Fender | DocHolliday : All hail the Almighty Dollar! ;) |
| Juggie | because i can assure you, it is FAR FAR FAR from perfect. |
| Qwell | bkruse_home: they don't want people using mgcp either |
| [TK]D-Fender | Qwell : Ummm.. why OULD anybody use MGCP? |
| Qwell | [TK]D-Fender: I have *NO* idea |
| Opperior | I've looked at Polycoms, and it seems like they don't have enough programmable buttons |
| DocHolliday | Juggie, i have heard Polycom is a good phone... i simply use what i have experience with |